The Cougars(12-5, 3-1) perfect home record will be on the line this Saturday afternoon as the team hosts instate rival and MWC foe Utah (14-3, 4-0) in an MW matchup.
Tip off: BYU (12-5, 3-1) vs Univ. of Utah (14-3, 4-0) 4 p.m., MST Arena: Marriott Ctr.
live TV/ webcast
All of BYU's women's basketball games can be heard live via the internet at byu radio. org BYU radio can also be heard on the Dish Network and on Direct TV. Veteran BYU broadcaster Jay Monsen is the play-by-play announcer for all games. The Cougars vs Utes game will also air live on BYU-TV and locally on KBYU-TV, Chan. 11.
BYU's Probable Starters
Pos. # Name Ht. Yr. PPG RPG
F 21 Jennifer Leitner 6-1 Sr 12.6 8.7
F 24 Kali Taylor 5-11 So 4.4 2.1
C 51 Danielle Cheesman 6-2 So 10.7 5.6
G 11 Erin Thorn 5-10 Sr 18.8 4.6
G 04 Kestlee Nelson 5-8 Jr 3.2 1.5
Cougar Players Off The Bench
Pos. # Name Ht. Yr. PPG RPG
F 45 Lisa Hansen 6-5 Sr 4.3 3.2
F 33 Ambrosia Anderson 6-2 Fr 3.0 2.2
G 15 Jen Overdiek 5-10 Fr 3.2 2.1
G/F 01 Nancy Seljaas 6-0 Fr 1.4 0.6
F 20 Brittany Larson 6-0 Sr 0.9 1.5
F 40 Ashleigh Chamberlain 6-4 Jr 3.0 1.6
Sophomore guard Julie Sullivan injured her knee (torn ACL) during practice on Jan. 13. She is out for the rest of the season.
After two full weeks of MWC play, the Cougars are 3-1 after losing by four points, 69-73 to UNLV on Saturday night. To date the Cougars, who are the defending MWC tournament champions have compiled a 12-5, 3-1 record. At home the Cougars have a perfect 7-0 record.
BYU returns three starters from last season's 24-9, 10-4 team who made history by winning their first-ever NCAA Tournament game, going on to the "Sweet Sixteen" in the Midwest Regional.
All-American and MWC MVP Erin Thorn leads the Cougar offense with an average of 18.8 points and 4.6 rebounds a game. Senior Jennifer Leitner follows as the team's second leading scorer and the leading rebounder. Leitner averages 12.6 points and 8.7 boards a game. Sophomore forward Danielle Cheesman follows in scoring and is averaging 10.7 points and 5.6 rebounds per game.
This season's roster has seen the return of MWC's 1999-2000 Newcomer of the Year Julie Whetten Sullivan who redshirted last year. She reclaimed her starting point-guard spot contributing 6.7 points and 3.1 rebounds, but as of Jan. 13 will not continue to play suffering a torn ACL. UVSC junior transfer Kestlee Nelson has not replaced Sullivan at the point guard spot. Nelson contributes 3.2 points and 1.5 rebounds a game.
Sophomore Kali Taylor has started in seven games to date and she's contributing with 4.4 and 2.1 rebounds per game.
UCSB transfer and senior Lisa Hansen who came off the bench in every game last year, started in the first nine games and tallied 4.3points and 3.2 boards a game. Hansen along with Kanab, Utah native Ashleigh Chamberlain have come
off the bench at the forward and center spots. Chamberlain tallied her first start vs Wyoming last week and is averaging 3.0 points and 1.6 rebounds per game. Senior forward Brittany Larson has played in all games and contributes 0.9 points and 1.5 rebounds.
Utah high school standouts Jen Overdiek, Nancy Seljaas and Ambrosia Anderson from Colorado Springs, Colorado are also contributing to this year's Cougar effort. Overdiek had a career high 15 points vs UNLV.
2002-03 Cougar Stats
u Shooting from the field: (.438, 414-946)
u Shooting from the free-throw line: (.724, 207-286)
u Shooting from three-point line: (.372, 112-301)
u Average points per game: 67.5
A look at this week's opponent
University of Utah
The Utes come to the Marriott Center with a perfect 4-0 league record and are 14-3 overall. Three players score in double figures for the University of Utah with Kim Smith toping the list at an average of 17.0 points and a team high 7.3 rebounds per game. Shona Thorburn follows with 15.4 points and 5.3 boards. Carley Marshall rounds out the double digit scoring with 10.9 points and 5.8 rebounds a game. The Utes are shooting 42 percent from the field and 74 percent from the free throw line. They shoot 37 percent from behind the arc.
University of Utah Probable Starters
Pos. # Name Ht. Yr. PPG RPG
F 04 Kim Smith 6-1 Fr 17.0 7.3
F 45 Carley Marshall 6-2 Jr 10.9 5.8
C 30 Mandie Little 6-0 Jr 5.6 5.9
G 10 Shona Thorburn 5-10 So 15.4 5.3
G 14 Kelsey Stireman 5-7 Jr 3.6 2.4
These two instate rivals and conference foes met two times during league play with the Cougars picking up both wins.
Record: 29-46 for Utah. At the Marriott Center, Utah is 15-15.
Last Game Recap
On their first MWC road trip the Cougar women went 1-1 easily defeating SDSU 61-46, but falling to UNLV 69-73. In the game against the Lady Rebels, BYU had a 26-point deficit at the half,
but battled back to tie the game with under five minutes to play in the game to eventually force UNLV to the free throw line where they won the game by four points. Erin Thorn led the way in both games.
Erin Thorn - 5-10 Senior Guard, Orem, Utah/Mountain View HS
u Senior Erin Thorn was picked as a 2002-03 Pre-Season College All-America Second Team honoree.
u Thorn was also named to the "Players to Watch" list for the 2003 Senior CLASS Award.
u Stats to date include scoring in double figures in all games, tallying a season high 34 points (just two shy of her career high 36 points) against Montana State on Dec. 30. She continues to be the team's leading scorer with an average of 18.3 points, is third on the list in rebounds with 4.9 boards a game and has tallied a team high 75 assists to date, that's an average of 5.0 per game. Thorn had 21 straight free throws before missing one against the University of Denver on 1/4/03.
Media Picks Cougars MWC Champs
During this year's MWC Basketball Media Day, the media picked BYU to win this year's regular season title capturing eight of the 15 first-place votes.
Senior guard and All-American Erin Thorn earned Top Returning Player honors.
She was joined on the squad by five additional seniors, including teammate Jennifer Leitner. Colorado State's Ashley Augspurger, New Mexico's Jordan Adams, UNLV's Constance Jinks and Wyoming's Carrie Bacon.
2002-03 Mountain West Conference Preseason Media Poll
Rk. Team (1st-place votes) Pts
1. BYU (8) 110
2. Colorado State (7) 103
3. New Mexico (1) 91
4. Utah 70
5. UNLV 69
6. Wyoming 49
7. San Diego State 31
8. Air Force 17
2002-03 MWC Women's Basketball Preseason All-Conference Team
Jennifer Leitner, Sr., F BYU
Erin Thorn, Sr., G BYU
Ashley Augspurger, Sr., F Colorado State
Jordan Adams, Sr., C New Mexico
Constance Jinks, Sr., G UNLV
Carrie Bacon, Sr., F Wyoming
2002-03 MWC Women's Basketball Preseason Top Returning Player
Erin Thorn, Sr., G BYU
COUGARS IN THE MWC ( as of Jan. 21, 2003, conf games only)
TEAM (All Games)
Category Place Avg/G
pScoring Offense 2nd 67.0
pScoring Defense 4th 58.5
pScoring Margin 2nd 67.0 off/58.5 deff, +8.5
pFree Throw % 6th 37-55, .673
pField Goal % 1st 99-205, .483
p3-Pt FG % 1st 33-73, .452
pRebounding Offense 5th 33.5
pRebounding Defense 1st 29.8
pBlocked Shots 1st 4.75
pAssists 1st 18.75
pSteals 7th 7.00
p3-PT FG Made 1st 8.25
Category Place Avg/G
pScoring: Erin Thorn 2nd 20.0
pRebounding: Jennifer Leitner 9th 5.8
pAssists: Erin Thorn 2nd 6.00
pAssists: Kestlee Nelson 3rdT 4.00
pField Goal %: Jen Overdiek 2nd .650 (13-20)
pField Goal %: Erin Thorn 5th .551 (27-49)
pFree Throw%: Erin Thorn 7th .867 (13-15)
pSteals: Erin Thorn 6thT 1.75
p3-PT FG%: Jennifer Leitner 1stT .667 (4-6)
p3-PT FG%: Kestlee Nelson 6th .500 (5-10)
p3-PT FG%: Erin Thorn 7th .481 (13-27)
p3-PT FG Made: Erin Thorn 1st 3.25 (13)
p3-PT FG Made: Kestlee Nelson 8th 1.25 (5)
pBlocked Shots: Jennifer Leitner 4th 1.50 (6)
pDefensive Reb: D. Cheesman 4th 4.25 (17)
pDefensive Rebounds: J. Leitner 6th 4.00 (16)
The Judkins file
Jeff Judkins, begins his second season at the helm of the Cougar women's program. Judkins, a longtime University of Utah coach and player has a proven record of success dating back to his high school days at Highland HS in Salt Lake City.
An all-state selection in basketball, football and baseball, Judkins went on to play for Utah from 1974-78. While playing for the Utes, he helped the team win one conference championship and two berths in the NCAA Tournament. He was a second-team academic All-American and three-time first-team District VII academic selection. Judkins earned three first-team All-WAC honors and was a member of the 1977 United States World Games team that captured the gold medal.
He played five years in the NBA for the Boston Celtics, Portland Trailblazers, Detroit Pistons and the Utah Jazz. He was a second-round pick by the Celtics in 1978, the same year the Celtics selected Larry Bird with the sixth pick overall.
After his NBA career, he returned to the U of U in 1989, and remained with the men's program for 10 years. Judkins, a Salt Lake City native, graduated from Utah in 1978 with a degree in health and physical education. He is a member of the Utah Sports Hall of Fame and the Crimson Club Hall of Fame.
He and his wife Mary Kay, are the parents of five children: Jessica (21), Jordan (20), Jenna (17), Jaime (14), Jaxson (11).
Returning player bios
51 Danielle Chessman ---- (6-2 Sophomore Forward, Orem, UT/Mountain View HS)
2002-03: Tallied a season and career high 21 points against Montana State at home on 12/30/02...had her second highest points output with 20 points against NC State on 12/14/02...had her third double-double of her career and second this season with 10 points and 10 rebounds against George Washington on 12/11/02...picked up her second double-double of her career with 16 points and 10 rebounds in the game against Oregon on 12/07/02...fouled out in the game against Weber State on 11/30/02 with over eight minutes to go in the contest..she tallied 10 points and seven rebounds against SUU on 12/3/02.
2001-2002: Played in all 33 games, starting in the last 19 of the season...averaged 8.6 points and 4.4 rebounds....was team's second leading rebounder...named to the MWC Academic All-Conference Team with a GPA of 3.00 in an undeclared major...picked up a season high 16 points and 12 rebounds vs New Mexico on 2/16/02.
45 Lisa Hansen ---- (6-5 Senior Center, Bakersfield, CA/Centennial HS/UCSB)
2002-03: Lisa picked up a season and career high six blocks in the game against Boise State on 11/27/02.. started in the first nine games of the season.
2001-2002: Played in all 33 games for the season...averaging 2.5 points and 2.3 rebounds a game...named to the MWC Academic All-Conference Team with a GPA of 3.31 in History...tallied a season high 10 points and six rebounds at Weber State on 12/01/01.
20 Brittany Larson ---- (6-0 Senior Forward, Chicago, IL/New Trier HS)
2002-03: Has played in all games
2001-2002: Played in 27 games with an average of 1.6 points and 0.9 rebounds per game...also had an average of 6.5 minutes of playing time per game...tallied a season high eight points vs. Washington State on 11/24/01 and a year high four rebounds per game.
2000-2001: Played in 17 games...averaged 1.6 points a game and 1.1 rebounds a game.
1999-2000: Played in 10 games during her first season with BYU...averaged 4.5 minutes of playing time...tallied five points and two assists.
21 Jennifer Leitner ---- (6-1 Senior Forward, Chico, CA/Pleasant Valley HS)
2002-03: Garnered her second career MWC Player of the Week honor on Jan. 6 after her stellar performance that saw the Cougars go 2-1 on the week. Her stats included posting a game-high 12 rebounds with six points and four assists against No. 22 Santa Barbara. Leitner capped the week with 15 points, four rebounds and five assists in a win over Denver. For the week, Leitner averaged 13 points, 11.7 rebounds and 3.3 assists, while shooting 57.7 percent from the field (15-26), 70 percent from the free throw line (7-10) and 66.7 percent from beyond the arc (2-3). Picked up her 14th career double-double with a team and game high 18 points and game high 17 rebounds in the Cougars 51-65 loss to UCSB on 1/2/03...had her 13th career double-double in the game vs University of San Francisco where she tallied 28 points and 11 points...her 28 points in the game were also a career and season high... picked up her 12th career double double and her first of this season with 18 points and 17 rebounds against Boise State..tallied 11 rebounds against SUU on 12/3/02.
2001-02: Played in 30 games, starting in 29 compiling a total of 357 points for an average of 11.9 per game...second leading scorer and leading rebounder on the team averaging 8.7 boards a game...named to the 2002 MWC All --Tournament Team...and to the MWC All-Conference Second Team...also honored as an MWC Academic All-Conference with a GPA of 3.12 in physical education... named Cougar Club Scholar Athlete.... was named MWC Player of the Week on Feb. 25 after her stellar performance against the University of Utah that included her eighth double-double of the year with a team high 18 points and 12 rebounds...tallied a total of 11 double-doubles for the season ...had a season high 18 points vs UNLV on 2/28/02 and a season high 17 rebounds vs Florida in the first round of the NCAA Tournament on 3/16/02.
2000-2001: Played in 20 games with an average of 6.5 ppg and 5.4 rpg....finished the season as the team's second leading rebounder...had season and career high 21 points against Hawai'i in the second round of the WNIT on 3/19/01...in that game she picked up a double-double with 10 rebounds...also had a career and season high four assists in the game against Utah at the MWC Championships on 3/9/01.
1999-2000: Played in all 31 games, starting in one....averaged 7.5 ppg and 5.6 rpg...finished the year as the second leading rebounder with a total of 174, 113 of them defensive boards.
05 Amy Lewis ---- (5-6 Senior Guard, Jefferson City, MT/Jefferson City Hs/No. Idaho College)
2002-03: Has played in six games to date.
2001-02: Played in eighteen games averaging 3.4 minutes of playing time...tallied 14 points, four assists and nine rebounds per game.
25 Kali Taylor ---- (5-11 Sophomore Guard, Lyman, UT/Wayne HS)
2002-03: Picked up a season high 11 points in the home game against Denver...tallied her second season high 10 points in the game against Oregon on Dec. 7, 2002... had her first Cougar start on 12/30/02 vs Montana State , then started in the next four... has played in all games to date.
2001-2002: Played in 28 of 33 games averaging 5.6 minutes of playing time per game...tallied 1.2 points and 0.4 rebounds...had a season high 11 points vs. Washington State on 11/24/01 and six assists vs Arkansas Pine-Bluff at the Denver Pioneer Classic on 12/14/01.
11 Erin Thorn ---- (5-10 Senior Guard, Orem, UT/Mountain View HS)
2002-03: Tied her career high nine assists vs MWC foe Wyoming on 1/18/03...in the win over the University of Denver she picked up her first ever double-double with 10 points and a career high 14 rebounds...picked up a season high 34 points at home vs Montana State on 12/30/02....her second best season high was 24 points, 21 of which came from behind the arc against SUU on 12/3/02...tallied a season high eight three pointers in the same game...continues to led the team in scoring in all games to date...was named MWC Player of the Week on Nov. 25, 2002 after her 19 points and six rebounds vs. ,11th ranked Texas. The honor was the third overall for Thorn.
2001-02: Started in all 33 games...averaging 17.3 points and 4.0 rebounds a game....was team's leading scorer for the third consecutive year...picked up the MWC MVP trophy for her performance at the 2002 MWC Championships in Las Vegas where she tallied eight treys in a game vs Wyoming on 3/6/02 and 13 3-pt field goal attempts in that same game...also tallied a total of 60 points for the 2002 tournament in three games...named to the MWC All-Tournament Team and the MWC All-Conference First Team....garnered MWC Player of the Week for the Dec. 17, 2001 week after her strong performance in the University of Denver Pioneer Classic...at that tournament she picked up a season and career record high nine-three pointers in the game against Arkansas Pine-Bluff, the nine treys set a new BYU record for treys in a game for both the men's and women's team....had a season high 29 points against Arkansas Pine-Bluff on 12/14/01...eight rebounds at Boise State on 11/16/01 and season high nine assists vs Colorado State on 1/10/02.
2000-2001: Started in all games...finished the season as the team's leading scorer with an average of 15.5 points and 4.5 rebounds a game...had career and season high 36 points and eight three-pointers against Arizona on 11/18/00...those eight three-pointers tie her with Kari Gallup for record three-pointers in a game...named to the MWC All Conference First Team and to the MWC All-Tournament Team.
1999-2000: Started in all 31 games...averaged 13.2 ppg and 3.5 rpg...finishing the year as the team's leading scorer...led the team in assists with a total of 114 and an average of 3.7 per game...also led the team in steals with 61 her first season with BYU...scored in double digits in 24 games...was the MWC Player of the Week on December 6 after picking up a career and season high 25 points against Idaho State on December 1, netting 7-of-9 three-pointers which also put her in second place on the BYU chart for treys in a game....named to the Women's Basketball News Service National All-Freshman All-America team...also named Second Team All MWC and Freshman of the Year...named to the MWC All Tournament Team.
Returning redshirt player BIOS
03 Maria Chiara ---- (5-8 Junior Guard, Hamilton, New Zealand/Casper Junior College)
2002-03: Has yet to play this season.
40 Ashleigh Chamberlain ---- (6-4 Junior Center, Kanab, UT/Kanab HS/UVSC)
2002-03: Started in her first game as a BYU Cougar vs Wyoming on 1/18/03...has played in seven games so far since she became academically eligible on Jan. 2.
12 Angy Gatten ---- (5-6 Senior Junior, Jefferson City, MT/Jefferson City
HS/No. Idaho College)
2002-03: Has played in seven games to date.
32 Kristin Kozlowski ---- (6-2 Sophomore Forward, Centerville, UT/Centerville HS/Boise State)
2002-03: Played in her first game as a Cougar vs Univ of Denver on 01/04/03.
14 Julie Sullivan ---- (5-8 Sophomore Guard, Silver City, NM/Silver City HS)
2002-03: The season ended o Mon., Jan. 13 for Julie when she suffered a torn ACL during practice....had starter all games through the ISU game on 1/07/03..picked up a season high nine assists in that gam...had a season high 15 points against Alabama on Dec. 21...tallied 10 points, five assists and five rebounds vs NC State on 12/14/02...did not play in the second half of the game vs. Oregon due to a pulled muscle...picked up a season high 12 points in the game on Dec. 5 vs. USF...had season high seven assists vs Boise State on 11/27/02.
2000-2001: Played in all games...contributing 5.2 points and 1.8 rebounds a game...had season and career high 15 points against Wyoming on 2/17/01...had a season and career high eight assists against Air Force on 3/3/01 named MWC Newcomer of the Year.
newcomer player bios
33 Ambrosia Anderson ---- (6-2 Freshman Forward, Colorado Springs, CO/Doherty HS) 2002-03: Started in three games to date and has played in all games to date. Before BYU: Two-time All-State, All-Area, All-Star in
basketball...named Top 70 Blue Chip Player...named in the Top 25 Street & Smith Basketball team.
04 Kestlee Nelson ---- (5-8 Junior Guard, Sandy, Utah Alta HS/UVSC) 2002-03: Tallied her first start as a Cougar on Jan. 16 vs CSU...had played in all games up until that date... in her first start she had five assists and in the game vs Wyoming on 1/18/03 had a season and career high 12 points all coming from three-point range...picked up a season high seven points in the game vs Idaho State on 1/7/03. At UVSC: Female Athlete of the Year in 2002...Team MVP in 2002...First Team All-Region...All-America Honorable Mention...averaged 12.8 points, 4.8 rebounds, 5.0 assists and 2.8 steals per game...athletic honor roll. Before BYU:Team MVP in 2000...three-time All-Region honoree...Academic All-Region....All-State in 2000.
15 Jen Overdiek ---- (5-10 Freshman Guard, Syracuse, Utah Clearfield HS/UVSC) 2002-03: Has played in all games to date..had a career high 15 points against UNLV on 1/25/03.
Before BYU: Academic All-State... graduated top three percent of class with honors...three-time basketball team MVP...led team in rebounds for four straight years...was team scoring leader three season...four-year letterwinner in women's basketball...named Region I MVP twice...made the All-State First Team three times and Second Team All State once.... named Utah Gatorade Player of the Year in 2002...was also an All-State performer in soccer...lettered two years in soccer and one in volleyball.
01 Nancy Seljaas ---- (6-0 Freshman Guard/Forward, Bountiful, Utah/Bountiful HS) 2002-03: Has played in all games to date.
Before BYU: Three-time honor roll student...three-time basketball MVP...team captain twice...UWBCA 2002 4A Region Five Player of the Year ...Clipper Newspaper District MVP in 2002...two-time Clipper First Team All-District honoree...two-time UWBCA 4A Region Five First Team...Deseret News Ms. Basketball of Utah in 2002...Salt Lake Tribune 4A MVP in 2002...two-time Deseret News First Team All-State...two-time Salt Lake Tribune First Team All-State...in her senior year averaged 23.3 points a game...six rebounds per game...2.2 steals and 3.6 assists per game... also lettered in volleyball.
cougars practice schedule
The women practice daily at the Marriott Center on the BYU campus. On Mondays, Wednesdays and Friday's the team practices from 10 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. On Tuesdays and Thursdays, the Cougars practice from 1 to 3:30 p.m. BYU head coach Jeff Judkins and his staff are available for media interviews prior to or immediately after the daily practices. Cougar players will be available for interviews prior to or immediately after practice. All media interviews must be scheduled in advance through the
women's basketball contact, Norma Collett. She can be contacted by phone at 801-422-4908 or via e-mail at firstname.lastname@example.org No media interviews will be granted 24 hours prior to any scheduled game.
Up Next for byu
After hosting the University of Utah, the team gets two more home MWC games, against New Mexico on Feb. 6 and AF on Feb. 8
2002-03 WOMEN'S BASKETBALL - NUMERICAL ROSTER
No. Name Pos. Ht. Cl. Exp. Hometown/School
01 Nancy Seljaas G/F 6-0 Fr. HS Bountiful, UT/Bountiful HS
03 Maria Chiara G 5-8 Jr 2V Hamilton, New Zealand Casper JC
04 Kestlee Nelson G 5-8 Jr 2V Sandy, UT/Alta HS/UVSC
05 Amy Lewis G 5-6 Sr 3V Jefferson City, MT/No. Idaho College
10 Marianne Miller* G 5-6 Jr HS Middleton, ID/Middleton HS
11 Erin Thorn G 5-10 Sr 3V Orem, UT/Mountain View HS
12 Angie Gatten G 5-6 Jr 2V Jefferson City, MT/No.Idaho College
13 Laura Stratton* G 5-6 So HS Missoula, MT/Sentinel HS/BYU Idaho 14 Julie Sullivan G 5-8 So 1V Silver City, NM/Silver City HS
15 Jen Overdiek G 5-10 Fr HS Syracuse, UT/Clearfield HS
20 Brittany Larson F 6-0 Sr 3V Chicago, IL/New Trier HS
21 Jennifer Leitner F 6-1 Sr 3V Chico, CA/Pleasant Valley HS
25 Kali Taylor G 5-11 So 1V Lyman, UT/Wayne HS
30 Melissa Brown * G 5-8 So HS University Place, WA/Curtis HS
32 Kristen Kozlowski F 6-2 So 1V Centerville, UT/Boise State
33 Ambrosia Anderson F 6-2 Fr HS Colorado Springs, CO/Doherty HS
40 Ashleigh Chamberlain C 6-4 Jr 2V Kanab, UT/UVSC
42 Angie Wallace# F 6-0 Fr HS Cleburne, TX/Cleburne HS
45 Lisa Hansen C 6-5 Sr 3V Bakersfield, CA /Centennial/UCSB
51 Danielle Cheesman F 6-2 So 1V Orem, UT/Mountain View HS
* 2002-03 WalkOn/# 2002-03 Redshirt
HEAD COACH: Jeff Judkins (2nd Year)
ASSISTANT COACHES: Alli Bills, Jonas Chatterton
ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT: Stacy Jensen
ATHLETIC TRAINER: Carolyn Billings
COLORS: Blue, White and Tan